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Thursday, July 1, 2021

Tired Of Abuse?


TIRED OF ABUSE?

The following may be disturbing for some. If you want bliss, there are many such links to the sidebar of this blog, or beneath. Most of my posts are based in bliss. If you are sensitive, stop reading.

Whereas, if you'd like ideas regarding how to put an end to child molestation, misogyny, abuse of men, elder abuse, etc - - ideas to protect yourself, family, friends - - keep reading.

This post is aimed toward anyone under 55 years of age, for the simple fact that it requires some physical energy.

First, let us touch on the problem. Scroll if you want to go directly to the solution for any abuse.

As I type, the current issue is Lokanatha Swami. However, if it's not him, it's someone else. That's a part of our history which never gets corrected. There is a long laundry list. It is not my purpose to focus on them - only to bring awareness that these sad activities are real.

My goal? How to protect your child, self, spouse, friend, and spiritual life. 

Yes, it needs to be recognized that even spiritual life is effected if these problems continue to be ignored or minimized. Then it may eventually boomerang back to your family if left unchecked. Healthy thinking and physical brain patterns can change, plus more, if wrong philosophies are made acceptable. It may not initially be noticeable to individuals because these others are expert at what they do.

Something I've noticed as a constant over decades, is that regardless of who is the abuser or molester, when there's a cover up, it involves some of the most outrageous philosophies: "It's cultural - Westerns would not understand [neither would Prabhupada!], or "The offender was naive and didn't know any better," or "It happened accidentally [repeatedly!]," or "It's not a big deal," or "The child wanted it," etc.

Do not fall for it, regardless who speaks. Regardless of the tone of voice, which can be alluring. [Again, they are expert.] Let us not take spiritual advice from anyone who ignores or minimizes abuse or molestation. When common sense goes out the window, trouble walks in the door.

Some believe it's their duty to stick up for an authority who fell-down if it is their guru. Show me any place in Prabhupada's books that says to support a fallen guru, as guru. It is not there.

The person you are responsible to is Srila Prabhupada. Don't make his Movement a social embarrassment. If you think the nondevotees don't know - they know! Who will join [or remain] if you do not prove our morals. The minute someone in a position of power strays, followers who care for Prabhupada at all, will not water down issues due to wrongly placed loyalties. If you're initiated by someone who fell down - take shelter of Prabhupada. Don't try to minimize seriously wrong actions as if they're not so bad. That's not helping anyone, but it is an offense to Srila Prabhupada. 

What startled me was the sentimentality some employed, resulting in hurling curses and making death threats. That revealed how little of Prabhupada's teachings are known.

Some believe if a lot of service & chanting has been or continues to be preformed, it's acceptable to commit sin. This is not true - please read the 7th of the Ten  Offenses. 

Others naively stick up for that which is wrong as if it were loyalty, when it's actually revealing unawareness of Prabhupada's highest philosophy. Disciples are supposed to read Prabhupada's [unchanged] books daily. Especially his personal letters as well as his conversations, which help gain a deep comprehension of what he wanted. With all the adult tantrums currently being thrown, it does not sound like some are doing that. 

Evidence that some do not know the philosophy is the claim of a guru being God incarnate. Tamala Krsna M asked Prabhupada if he/Prabhupada was God? Prabhupada jeeringly replied that when he died then Tamala can become God too. There's another example from 1969. Newspaper reporters saw so many young devotees bowing to Indian Swami [Prabhupada]. Noticing their observance, Srila Prabhupada told them that the spiritual master is to be worshiped as God. Next he said, "But, if the spiritual master thinks that he is God, then he is dog." Disciples should be careful of what they say. And please study. Don't stop in the middle of a conversation or quote. Read all of it in it's entirety.

Now others were more calm, may be chanting their rounds, attending Morning & Evening Programs, doing service. But if blindly following in the name of loyalty, one can't help to wonder if they, or anyone doing that, are taking time out of each day to 'study' Srila Prabhupada's writings deeply.  After all, daily personal reading [not only class] was an instruction of his, and it will help us pan out what is sentimentality and what is proper following.

"Religion without philosophy is sentiment, or sometimes fanaticism, while philosophy without religion is mental speculation." BG 3.3, P

Additionally, is it always about defending your guru, or is it about yourself? Too uncomfortable to admit it's level of seriousness? Hard to accept you worshiped the wrong person for years? Difficult to renounce attachment to him?  ...Ego plays a big role here. Be honest, do inner work, and keep the false ego in check. 

We do not have to surrender to something that is out-of-sync with Prabhupada. If an authority tells you something strange is in line with Prabhupada and you feel that's off, go check it out.
Any authority worth their salt will have no problem with their instruction being checked against Prabhupada's. 

Whereas, if they are trying to twist Prabhupada's words in an attempt to merge them with their own odd or stinking-thinking, well, they should not be in a position of power in the first place.

There is a popular misunderstanding that the GBC must be surrendered to all the time, no matter what they instruct. However, Prabhupada did not put them on such an absolute platform. They must be able to do what Prabhupada set up as their service. If they can't, we are not to follow them.
When they sound less spiritual and more often like bureaucrats, our reading of their yearly by-laws may no longer be important. Read them if you wish, simply, reading Prabhupada's instructions are far more important. 

This is not against the GBC principle. Srila Prabhupada instructed that we should have a GBC. However, he also said they must be qualified. No blind following pleaseeeeeeee.

"But the difficulty is that our GBC men are falling victim to maya. Today I trust this GBC and tomorrow he will fall down." Srila Prabhupada Letter to Jayatirtha -- Bombay 16 December, 1974  

"What will happen when I am not here, shall everything be spoiled by GBC?” - Srila Prabhupada Letter, April 11th, 1972

“GBC does not mean to control a center. GBC means to see that the activities of a center go on nicely. I do not know why Tamal is exercising his absolute authority. That is not the business of GBC. The president, treasurer, and secretary are responsible for managing the center. GBC is to see that things are going nicely but not to exert absolute authority. That is not in the power of GBC. Tamal should not do like that. The GBC men cannot impose anything on the men of a center without consulting all of the GBC members first. A GBC member cannot go beyond the jurisdiction of his power.” — Srila Prabhupada Letter to Giriräj, 8-12-71

“Now has the GBC become more than Guru Maharaja? As if simply GBC is meant for looking after pounds, shilling, pence.”  Srila Prabhupada Letter, November 10th, 1975

"Therefore we have created these GBC. So they should be very responsible men. Otherwise, they will be punished. They will be punished to become a śūdra. Although Yamarāja is a GBC, but he made a little mistake. He was punished to become a śūdra. So those who are GBC's, they should be very, very careful to administer the business of ISKCON. Otherwise they will be punished. As the post is very great, similarly, the punishment is also very great. That is the difficulty. You can see from this example, Vidura. He was immediately punished. He did little mistake..." - Srila Prabhupada - on SB 1.13.15 -- Geneva, June 4, 1974

I am not anti-GBC. I am anti-doing-it-wrong. And anyone who is truthfully pro-GBC will also be against them doing it wrong so the GBC will not incur the above mentioned karma. Yes, I give a hoot about my godbrothers. 

Moving on .... Does the mere thought of someone inappropriately touching your child, grand child, or friends child - upset you? Good! If not - I can't help you; please see a therapist.

For those who find it disturbing, it's time to bring it to an end. How? You can't be lethargic. Lethargy helps problems grow, even if they are not [yet] effecting you or your family. They will. Maybe one way, or another unforeseen, unexpected way - but they will. Our history has proven this, repeatedly. 

There are things you can do. First, be cautious. Do not blindly trust in someone just because they attend the same church/ temple, or are in a position of authority. 

Remember, anyone can join. And that's good. However, they must be willing to undergo training. And take to it. Decades back, authorities made sure they took to it. But not so much anymore. If they do not accept the process cent per cent, they may be dragging with them luggage from their past. How can you know? You can't. That's why there must not be blind trust, or because everyone else trusts so-and-so, therefore you should too. No. Investigate, courteously.

It may require time to see the areas some have not purified out of themselves. In Krishna Consciousness, like when making ghee, impurities rise to the top. A person gets to make the choice to get rid of them, or keep them. Not everyone may notice this is going on, as it's their internal battle. 

And yes, this can include authorities. I'm not bad mouthing. I've seen it, over and Over and OVER. We wish all such persons well - simply - do not follow them on mere faith, or because others are doing it thus devotee peer pressure. Authorities should always be willing to have their words or instructions checked against Prabhupada's.
Next, do not send your children away NOR allow overnights. And check out their teacher, including when they're not trying to impress you but during a normal school day. [Many teachers are innocent, so do it politely.]  

Considering all that has happened for decades, Day Gurukula is far better ashrama. I have often been told, & heard:  "Prabhupada wanted all the children to go to Gurukula." Yes, he did. This was the instruction! What to do? So I thought. Duh it hit me. :) We never had a real Gurukula to start with! 

Authorities, let us know when you actually create such a safe, loving, sane, healthy, etc, ashrama that is free from abuse and kindly promotes love of  Krishna. Because so far, too many of them were either hot-spots pedophiles went to find their next victims, or places narcissistic religious fanatics/bullies gravitated toward so they could find children to release their desire to beat or to brainwash. None of that is Gurukula! Stop stealing Prabhupada's name for such bogus schools, do punish those who deserve it. And until authorities create a truthfully safe overnight school - Daytime Gurukula is the way to go. 

Why wait for them to do what they have not been able to do for decades? Anyone can start their own. Begin learning how to home school and simply Krishnaize it. It's often much better, and safer, when loving parents start a little home-school with a few kind friends. Learn how, but do it.
In U.S.A, should you discover factual abuse or molestation - do not - I repeat, do NOT go to the temple authorities! Do call the real, legitimate police or social services and make a "legal" report/arrest!  ISKCON is not good at policing itself, so let that be done by the current yuga kstriya's - law enforcement. 

Some feel there is an advantage when reporting to both the karmi law and our authorities. I'm mixed on this because often Iskcon authorities tell you they will take care of it, but do not. That can even make it worse. However, if you still want to report to both, FIRST call the nondevotee police! IMHO this can not be stressed enough. Go to the legal, nondevotees first and foremost! 

UPDATE: Just read that in some countries or places, people are afraid for their life if they report any type of abuse to the police. And in some cases, even to temple authorities. This is shocking! Prabhupada would be so displeased! But what can I say? Most import: BE SAFE! Do not do anything that would harm you or your child or any victim. [Which includes not shaking things up - stay under the radar even if you do something. And google safest ways to do it.] Maybe you need to move in order to get away from an abuser. Maybe something else. Please try to figure it out because I do not know much that can be done if you can not report to anyone! Though I do have one more major idea. That is explained below, under "WHAT CAN YOU DO?" It still may require relocating, but it may not. You will figure it out in accordance to your personal situation. Anyway, it's what Prabhupada wanted, and a new start for those who need or want one! A safe place for everyone.

If this post bothers your mind, making you wonder if you should protect ISKCON "by" covering up serious offenses, stop and consider:

It is not your job to protect ISKCON, it is ISKCON'S job to do that. If they do nothing wrong, or if they themselves arrest the sinners, then they are properly protecting iskcon. Your job is to protect your child! Which in turn will protect the spiritual life of your child, if that is one of your worries.

Prabhupada: “Child-worship is more important than deity-worship. If you cannot spend time with him, then stop the duties of pujari. At least you must take good care of your son until he is four years old, and if after that time you are unable any more to take care of him then I shall take care. These children are given to us by Krishna, they are Vaishnavas and we must be very careful to protect them. These are not ordinary children, they are Vaikuntha children, and we are very fortunate we can give them chance to advance further in Krishna Consciousness. That is very great responsibility, do not neglect it or be confused.” - Prabhupada Letter to Arundhati dasa, July 30, 1972

Stop doing ISKCON's job for ISKCON. Start protecting children, the little Vaisnava's and Vaisnavi's who Prabhupada said waited in line to take birth in this Movement.

When there is a CPO [Child Protection Office] that the GBC has power to block or over-rule, and has done so, we need to turn first and foremost to the law. These children deserve genuine protection and "that" is our duty - to protect "them." [See Update on this page.]

“It is very good news that Vishnu-arati is advancing nicely in Krishna Consciousness and I know that you and your husband will always do your best to bring her up on the right path of Krishna Consciousness. To raise one soul to Krishna Consciousness is counted by Krishna as a very great service, so you do this duty very carefully and Krishna will certainly bestow His blessings upon you.” - Srila Prabhupada Letter, 2/11/69

Sorry, but I feel iskcon authorities try to convince us to feel guilt if we are not helping them lift their load via responsibility to protect iskcon, when there are quotes from Prabhupada that instruct our big responsibility is to our children:

“Now you husband and wife must work together combinedly with great responsibility for raising your new child in ideal Krishna consciousness. Children learn by imitation of their, so if you both set Krishna conscious example the child will very naturally and easily become advanced in Krishna consciousness by following.” - S.P. Letter to Jagadisha dasa, July 9, 1970 

It is not setting a good example to help brush sins/abuse under the carpet; but it is a good example (in U.S.A.) to report it to the police, to (legal) Child Protective Services, and so on. Anyone who doubts this as a good example and right thing to do, can ask a Gurukuli who went thru it - some who even left because they had no support, no therapy, no belief, no help.
I wish I had the legal solution for each country. Sadly I can only speak for America, as we have decent laws against child abuse. But they only work if it is reported! [Please remember the UPDATE, above.]

Canada and Europe may have similar laws.

Countries that are not sufficiently strict may have hidden laws that, if discovered, could be very helpful. Please use them, and if you uncover any secrets to help arrest a pedophile in other countries, let it be known!

However as the update now points out, always do it by keeping your child, self, victims - safe first and foremost! Learn "how" before doing.

Some have pointed out that in certain cases a female child was not dressed modestly [wore shorts], and/or was starting to turn into a young woman even though her age was young. 

These Gurukuli's have been thru so much I could care less what they wear. It does not reveal their consciousness and attachment to Krishna. Besides, a girl wearing shorts in her own home where she can relax and let down - that's considered a safe place to do so. [We wore only slips & choli's in the brahmacarini ashrama. I was told, at that time in India the women took off their saree when the men went to work and also only wore slip/choli].

No one should think that because they disapprove of ones attire, that person is not good enough, so they may as well exploit them. That's merely an excuse to take advantage, coupled with arrogance of believing ones self as superior. What superior person - exploits? [Rhetorical.] If you can't help someone, walk away.

Besides, I have seen fully saree-clad 8 year old little girls in the temple room, innocently wander over to the men side, when next the parents were told she is agitating the men, to bring her back to the women side. What nonsense! 

If someone can not control themselves while in a house with a girl child, first they need to leave. Next, they need to either get therapy, go back into the ashram for more training on how to absorb themselves 24/7 in thoughts of Krishna - possibly both. For someone to blame the victim for their own sexual weakness is an offense. 

Then there is going out on Sankirtana or preaching at Festivals. How can we help the public accept Krishna if seeing scantily clad women is so disturbing that some think it makes it ok to exploit her instead of save her. There are girls and women everywhere. If some men can't handle it and feel the need to take advantage, let them go to the forest as Prabhupada said to Tamala Krsna M. 

Another excuse, in this case, is that we are bigoted against a dark bodied authority or guru. This startled me. Anyone who knows our philosophy, knows the very basic ABC's are: Aham Brahmasmi or I am not this body, I am spirit soul. If someone does not believe this, does not live it, then they do not understand Prabhupada's teachings. In which case, they should not be getting involved. Bonafide initiated disciples don't care what color someone is, therefore those making such accusations should start doing the same. We only care about right treatment and that requires keeping the eyes truthfully open. 

It has been said complaints about such abuses from us former mlecca's and still Westerners, are an attempt to impose our  liberal ideals onto India. However, Srila Prabhupada himself cried when he found out about Gurukula abuse! While I am not happy to have taken birth as mlecca I find it far more offensive to minimize the sin of child molestation! No one should be chest-thumping they are automated higher birth if they hold fast to the belief that child molestation is not a serious offense. 

The day sexual molestation of anyone but especially a child, becomes minimized as so-called liberal idealism, reduced to no big deal, or acceptable as cultural  - is the day the purity of Srila Prabhupada's teachings go down the drain. 


Let us remember, we are not practicing Hinduism.  We are practicing, or working toward, transcendental consciousness of Krishna. 

"And that Mataji, she has taken land. I don't like that idea. Some Hindus are supporting. I don't want a Hindu temple. Our constitution is different. We want everyone. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is for everyone. It is not a Hindu propaganda." Srila Prabhuada Meeting with Devotees -- June 9, 1969, New Vrindaban, USA.

Further details, quotes, and clarification that what Prabhupada teaches is not Hinduism, can be found in the link below this post.

The many angles of excusism used to justify abuse are endless. For each one defeated, some can concoct a new one. I'm not going to go into each one forever. Let truth seekers find truth. Blind followers will have to remain blind 'until' they choose to awaken. 

Therefore, don't write me with any other perspectives you think I should consider. This is not up for debate. Child molestation is a crime, a sin, vaisnava-aparadha, maya nonsense, breaks the 4 regulative principles, and more. Any other opinion is not open for discussion. If you truthfully care about ISKCON, the person hurt, or even the offender - you will support the suggested right actions. 

Small precaution: Make sure it is really going on. There are times when it's not true. But in our society we see it is usually true. Especially after a child was sent away, or around many strangers, etc. Collect evidence! While it is rare for anyone to personally see sexual crimes, even the law [in USA] allows circumstantial evidence, takes it seriously, especially when there is a lot of such evidence. 

I've seen enough Gurukuli's messed up [even commit suicide!] because people want to sit around in Ivory Towers talking about all the many perspectives. It's time to DO something.

WHAT CAN YOU DO? 

In addition to the above, IMHO one extremely important step to take in order to genuinely put a stop to pedophiles and misogynists: OPEN YOUR OWN TEMPLE. How on earth does that help?

Simple. If independent temples are opened, and kept small, there is less chance of cruelty or exploitation. Then if abuse happens, there is also less likely to be tolerance of such crimes. Instead, it's more natural for parents etc to call the police or karmi Child Protection Services, and have an arrest made. [Remember, do it safely and with know-how.] Not all the mubo jumbo excusisim in the name of God. Poor Krishna, blaming everything on Him. sigh

I realize that many devotees these days do not seem to want to open a temple. I also do not understand this, finding it bizarre, since my generation loved to do that. Wishing I knew the right motivation or words to assist readers in getting serious enough to get up off their chair after reading this post, phone a few like-minded devotee friends, and start the opening of a small, sane, loving temple. [Hint, hint! :-) ] All I can do is try to write this blog post, and hope some idea's will tickle your fancy enough to get you moving.

Some point out there are no new temples opening because devotees argue, or they can't get everyone on the same page. I had to consider this. After some honest thought, here is my personal conclusion:

So what? Simply do what you know how to do to open one, then purification will come automatically while living it when properly following. Over time this will facilitate everyone to get on the same page, or at least find some common ground. Do not avoid opening temples merely because you can't get everyone to agree. You don't need everyone, only a few. After all, Prabhupada - a pure devotee - did not get everyone. He was happy with who he did get though.

And/or, how about this for motivation? 

Did some authority mess you over? Did someone take your apartment/house out from under your feet? Or your job/service? Did someone humiliate you repeatedly? Have you or a friend been severely hit but it was brushed under the carpet by authorities? Do you even suspect someone may have hurt your child, or any child - yet you have to see that individual at the temple, or worse, hear them give class? Have you been exposed to far too much political jargon to make wrong things appear right, and you are feeling a lack of enough spiritual katha?

For these, and other similar reason's, it's time to detach from the huge corporate ISKCON, and for the sake of yourself or loved ones, open a temple. Help bring this to an end:
It is not that the above goes on all the time or everywhere. No. The problem is that when it goes on, not enough legal action is taken. Similar to how the Catholic Church responds. Thus this post. 

Now, some readers may think I am anti-iskcon. No, you might even be able to legally call your temple iskcon [like iskonbangalore did]. Tho do check it out with the law. And there's nothing wrong with giving it other names, like "Radha Krishna Temple" via George Harrison recording, or "Bhakti Yoga Center," so on and so forth.

Simply, when a religious organization is so big, making decisions on phones in offices away from real people or actual situations, and their decision-making has no effect on them - they may loose awareness. 

Let others who can really fix them, take them on. If you can't fix it, and most of us can not, then start your own temple. 

It doesn't have to be huge or fancy, just clean. Keep it small in numbers. Keep it in line with Prabhupada. Keep it safe. Do a Morning and Evening Program. Perform various services throughout the day. Harinama is fun to do! :) Prabhupada has instructed all of us to open temples. We need to stop ignoring this instruction:

"Yourself, Tamala, Mukunda, Hamsaduta, Syamasundara—all of you are in now double strength, so please do things very enthusiastically and organize the world Sankirtana Party because in India the people are already expecting us next year. Also open as many branches as possible." Srila Prabhupada letter to Umapati das, LA Ca, April 26, 1970

"Every householder, husband and wife together, they require to live in an apartment, so if they have got an extra room, they can immediately start a center." - Srila Prabhupada letter to Vamanadeva, Tittenhurst, 21 October, 1969

"It is not unnecessarily we are opening so many centers. No. It is for the benefit of the human society." - Srila Praabhupada Lecture on SB 6.1.49 -- New Orleans Farm, August 1, 1975

"Regarding opening branches in Laguna Beach, you know I am always very much enthusiastic to open branches, so if another branch can be opened for propagating Krishna Consciousness, it is always welcome. " ~ Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tamala Krsna, New Vrindaban June 17, 1969

"All these newses are to me life-giving ambrosia, so the more you open branches, the more I increase my duration of life." SP letter to Sridama - Los Angeles 10 April, 1970  [Yes, he is still here. Tho different, but present, so lets keep him present.]

If in your little temple, God forbid but one day abuse or molestation is committed, and you know for certain that it has been committed, the philosophy preached followed by actions should be to call the police and arrest them. [Safely and with know-how.] Then, back to Krishna Consciousness. We will be more Krishna Conscious this way, not less. 

Cover-ups and dishonesty in the name of so-called preaching or so-called helping our society, has instead damaged our reputation. That philosophy is backwards thinking. It even reduces effectiveness  of our Sankirtana and Harinama. 

IMHO it's also a way some [not all] authorities can be lazy and avoid genuinely dealing with the problem, nor learn how to! Simply trying to get everyone to pretend that it's not so bad, or if we were more spiritual we could handle it, so on and so forth - is nonsense.  In that way they don't have to lift a finger, can sit back and drink their chai. :) It's time they step up to the plate and do their jobs the way Prabhupada instructed this service to be done. 

It is honesty, and correct dealings, that will change our reputation. These qualities will also increase our spiritual life because once we get the person causing trouble out of the picture, we can get back to our devotional service and won't have to spend a lot of time hiding this, that, or the other thing that was wrong - again. 

If people do not make a choice, thinking, hoping, it will all get resolved even tho it has not for decades - then a choice will automatically be made, usually by the material energy, and often for the worst. 

Therefore, you ARE making a choice. Doing nothing and just sitting on the sidelines, "is" doing something. It's letting more children etc be harmed, and Prabhupada's Movement go down the tubes.
Honesty is the best policy - and the last leg Mother Bhumi stands on in this age. To close our eyes and pretend everything is ok when it is not, is karmic. Don't let it's severity bounce back on you. Take action - open a safe temple or support those who are doing so.

"A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in sinful activities." - Caitanya Caritamrita, Madhya 5.90

"There was a poetry by Rabindranath Tagore. The purport of the poetry is that one who is mischievous, he is culprit. But one who tolerates mischievous activity, he is also culprit. If you are mischievous, you are criminal. But if you tolerate mischievous activities that is also criminal." - Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 3, 1973

Of course, if going thru something personal, one may not be able to get involved. That is different, and should be consciously noted as different so others do not use it as an excuse.

Some may ask, what about mercy for the abuser or molester? Maybe they need therapy? Or some other form of help? Or fond of quoting Bhagavad-Gita 9:30 where the devotee is forgiven for any action?

First, that verse is not a free license to intentionally commit sins behind closed doors [7th of 10 Offenses] then try to wiggle out of those actions through service. The verse is for devotees no longer engaging in such actions but are instead maintaining a pure lifestyle.  Is an accidental slip forgivable? Sure. But it's not "all one." They are not all on the same level. Details differ depending on what went on. And it's certainly not about keeping one foot in, one foot out; following when everyone is looking, but dong whatever they feel like doing when they're not. Especially if an offense was Vaishnava aparadha. Add to that, if it's someone in a high position with power over others, they should not have such a weakness and uncontrolled senses. 

Forgiveness can not be voted in, demanded, or granted by society. It must be given by the victim. Nor should they be forced to do so by others who did not go thru it, or anyone at all. The offender must first exhibit truthful remorse, coupled with real steps to change any such thinking or hidden propensities of that nature. This seldom magically goes away. It often requires professional help. And the victim gets to feel whatever they feel for however long it takes them to mend, or to forgive. This is one reason why it is so important that we do not offend each other! 

"...if Krsna consciousness is covered by material sins, one can eliminate the sins simply by chanting the Hare Krsna mantra, but if one pollutes his Krsna consciousness by offending a brahmana or Vaishnava, one cannot revive it until one properly atones for the sin by pleasing the offended Vaishnava or brahmana.” ~ Srimad Bhagavatam 4.26.24

Of course, we recognize two stages of grief are denial and anger. It appears there's a lot of that going on. We hope it will soon progress to the next stages because there can be a karmic reaction when  misusing shastra to justify wrong actions. Be careful.

"Satyam. This word means that one should not distort the truth for some personal interest. In Vedic literature there are some difficult passages, but the meaning or the purpose should be learned from a bona fide spiritual master. That is the process for understanding the Vedas. Śruti means that one should hear from the authority. One should not construe some interpretation for his personal interest." -  Bhagavad-gita As It Is 16.1-3, P

Any offender is welcome to seek help. That is not the job of the victim, nor the overall population, which should be protected from such persons. An abuser can certainly take the appropriate action to go and get therapy. We wish them well and to heal. Simply, only they can fix themselves or walk into a therapists office - followed by sincerely doing the work. No one can do any of this for them. They must show genuine interest and do it for themselves.

Plus, anyone, no matter what they have done, can be a devotee in their home. "This" is where Bhagavad-gita 9:30 applies! They can still be practice Krishna Consciousness and continue to undergo the purification process. However, they do not need to attend - putting our children, women, or the elderly - at risk. 
                            
Let persons with such problems worship at home, or thru the internet. The combination of therapy and private worship is where there may be hope. Not pretending it's unreal or not that bad. Keep them away from the rest of the devotee populace.

Just as fixing Iskcon is not our job, fixing the abuser or molester is also not our job. Are you a fixaholic? :) We can't fix everyone. That's impractical, overwhelming, and an over-endeavor = cause of falldown. We have to first and foremost save ourselves, and family.

Matter of fact, we are doing the offender a disservice by sweeping their sins under the rug. Karma after death, or next life for that person, will be worse than accepting their consequences in this life.

Next, what guru to worship at your new temple? IMHO, why take risks? The undoubtedly pure devotee Srila Prabhupada would be my recommendation. If you disagree but do not know what guru to trust, for now worship Srila Prabhupada and see where that goes. After all, if we are not clear in Prabhupada's teachings, if some authorities can misuse his words and we do not recognize that, than how can we know if someone is properly representing them? [Rhetorical.] Sure, you feel you know all this. Great! However, after 47 years of being a devotee, I am still finding quotes that surprise me! This is blissful, ever fresh knowledge. Put time into studying his unchanged books.

What to speak of: "Do you know that every day even I read my own books?   Do you know why I read my books? I read my books everyday because even I learn something new when I read them. Do you know why I learn something new when I read my books? Because these books are not my books - I do not write these books.    Every morning when I sit here to write my books Krsna comes personally and he dictates to me what to write, I simply take dictation from Krsna and I write these books. Therefore when I read them even I learn something.” Srila Prabhupada Room conversation with Bhagavat Das Vanachari, Bombay, 1974

Ok, I have said what I felt a strong push to speak, or type. Simply to reiterate: If you want abuse to stop repeating, instead of letting so many authorities be in charge of you, you become the authority in charge of yourself and loved ones by finding the ambition to open a small, peaceful, kind, temple. Set the example. Do not copy the wrong actions you've seen or read. Do not create your own either. :) It's easy to avoid these simply by sticking with, and always focusing on, Prabhupada's instructions regarding how to open and run a temple. Doesn't have to be fancy. Can start with a small daily gathering and a couple of spiritual pictures. See my links on how to make an altar at home, how to offer and worship at home, etc, at the sidebar. It's in the early date of the first posts I ever made.
Find inspiration that helps you take action, a few families at a time. You can thoroughly interview them if needed [google how to do this], but get going! :) IMHO it will please Srila Prabhupada. 

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Why Start A Temple?  Ladies can also open temples, it's bonafide. :)

America: State Child Abuse and Neglect Reporting Numbers: Here is a list for the USA. Remember, child abuse is not someone who disciplines their child in a way you disagree. Abuse is horrid. And neglect is about "serious" neglect. Not a parent who is less than perfect but essentially okay. Report if you are aware any of that is going on.



A Fun, Spiritual Place - Your Home! :) While this and other posts on my blog explain you can do it for yourself at home - please don't let that stop you from opening temples, because Prabhupada also wanted you to open them!



INDIA -  For victims of crimes committed in India link." If you have difficulty reporting the crime"( to local L.E.,)," please contact the Embassy or Consulate...." 
   I do not know much about this link or this connection. I have been informed the police in some countries can easily be paid off by the bad guys. However, maybe not the Embassy  or Consulate. Anyway it at least was worth putting here, now you decide.





This and That - Related issues discussed.

The Old Days - Now A Days - See how you can recreate it for yourselves.

Proof That The GBC Have Lost Touch with the people, with what their own service is according to Srila Prabhupada's instructions about GBC, are not sufficiently caring about those hurt, making arm-chair decision from offices without comprehending what has happened or the pain it causes. Tho I am not a follower of the particular devotee who made the video comments - at all - and do not endorse him. However, in this case I believe he gave a good synopsis of what goes on when they think no one is looking.

Tuesday, March 9, 2021

No Longer Relevant_SP's Teachings

 Prabhupada's Teachings No Longer Relevant?

Recently I've read some devotees claim various teachings and instructions of Srila Prabhupada are no longer relevant. 


When I joined, something I utterly loved about what Prabhupada's taught, is that he was part of a very special and pure lineage going back from one pure devotee to the next, until it reached the lotus mouth of Lord Sri Krishna - God.  And that since only pure devotees repeated the message, nothing was changed, nothing was contaminated. Everything was - as it is. I found this something worth putting my faith in!


"So the same thing, what was spoken five thousand years ago by Kṛṣṇa personally, we, Kṛṣṇa cons..., we, Kṛṣṇa conscious men... Because we are known in the world as Hare Krishna People. They write in the newspaper, 'The Hare Krishna People.' So our preaching is the same. We don't change. We present, therefore, Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. Kṛṣṇa says that everyone should surrender unto Him. We are preaching the same philosophy, that 'You surrender to Kṛṣṇa.' Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65). We say the same thing. We ask everyone that 'You become a devotee of Kṛṣṇa. You think of Kṛṣṇa constantly. You worship Kṛṣṇa. You offer your obeisances unto Kṛṣṇa.' So this is favorable. If we preach what Kṛṣṇa said five thousand years ago, that is favorable. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness." S. Prabhupada Lecture, Vrindavan, October 28, 1972


I've read some devotees [not all] claim the times have changed due to more acceptance of sex outside of marriage,  A.I.D.S., legalization of gay marriage, and more - thinking these are reasons that  Prabhupada's instructions are no longer relevant today as they were in the beginning.  


Krishna has incarnated countless times, and you mean to tell me He never ran into such issues before us, therefore never left instructions to make such changes due to these issues? It's not news to God. And, God maintained as they were.


"We do not change. Why should you change? What right you have got to change? If Bhagavad-gītā is a book of authority, and if I make my own interpretation, then where is the authority? Can you change the lawbook according to your interpretation? Then what is the meaning of that lawbook? That is not lawbook. You cannot change. Similarly, if you accept Bhagavad-gītā as the book of authority, you cannot change the meaning. That is not allowed. What right? If you have got some opinion, if you have got some philosophy, you can write in your own book." - Srila Prabhupada Lecture, Hyderabad, April 27, 1974


To clarify, this is not a post of fanaticism, nor political opinions on drugs, sex, or so on. Heck, I haven't even given my opinions. Rather, this is a post about transcendental instructions. Instructions given by the pure devotee. 


"Ācāryas will never say, 'I think.' 'It is in my opinion.' No. Such things are not accepted. No personal opinion. It must be supported by Vedic evidences. That is called paramparā system, genuine system of understanding. As Kṛṣṇa says, evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ (BG 4.2). No change. Therefore we are presenting Bhagavad-gītā as it is. We do not change. We have no power to change. Then where is the authority of Bhagavad-gītā? I am a third-class man, and if I change the statements in the Bhagavad-gītā, then where is the authority of Bhagavad-gītā? That is going on." - Srila Prabhupada Lecture, Vrindavan, October 22, 1972


With that said, when I hear the one about sex, that we must change this part of the 4 Regulative Principles / Vows, because it is not as relevant as it use to be in the early days since sex outside of marriage now, is more acceptable. I almost laugh. Why? 


It has less to do with sex, and more to do with historical facts.  


Some act as if the generation who joined when Prabhupada initially started the Movement, those of the 60's / 70's era - a time of drugs, sex, and rock and roll - did not have significant interest in sex outside of marriage. How unrealistic.


My generation had to give up premarital sex, drugs, etc, if we wanted initiation. In order to gain a higher, more spiritual taste, one needs to let go of these.  Not to misunderstand, as it's stated in ancient scripture that sex desire is the hardest to give up, because it is the highest material pleasure.  Such material renunciation can not be artificially achieved and can only be done by surrendering to a pure devotee, if one wants to experience an even higher and therefore spiritual pleasure. This starts by chanting, and  following his blissful Morning / Evening Program as well as daily outlined lifestyle. [Details on how to do that, elsewhere throughout this blog.]


Now those who do not want initiation, do what you please. This is not about judgement. This is about not changing the philosophy or vows so others can get initiated and feel good while going  contradictory to the instructions of Srila Prabhupada. 


I find those who say that not all of his teachings are relevant anymore, to be looking for a loophole. Some do not desire to follow strictly, while still wanting to view themselves as first class devotee. 


It does not work that way. That is the cheating process. Let us not turn into a society of the cheaters and the cheated, as Prabhupada cautioned us.


"Don't change, don't alter. You simply try to preach what Kṛṣṇa has said. This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's instruction. If you follow this instruction... Don't make any addition and alteration of your so-called learned scholarship. That will not help you. You must present Bhagavad-gītā as it is" - SP Lecture on SB 5.5.30 -- Vrndavana, November 17, 1976


As I've said many times, I have no problem with someone who does not follow the 4 regs when honest about it. It is those who want to make changes so they do not have to change themselves, yet take initiation - to be dishonest at best. 


Better are those who may not follow as firmly,  repeat the teachings as they are - than those, some all ready initiated, wearing dhoti / saree, tilaka, etc - but no longer believe the "transcendental" teaching of jagat guru Srila Prabhupada are relevant.


"It is important that we preach the message of Krishna Consciousness exactly as we have heard it from our Spiritual Master. The same philosophy and spirit must be there exactly." Srila Prabhupada Letter, January 23, 1969


There are other devotees who throw out tons of quotes as an endeavor to justify their point about these changes. Sure, I just used quotes, and will continue. What is the difference?

There is nothing wrong with quotes and it's even recommended. However, if they are not truthfully in sync with Prabhupada's teachings, possibly taken out of context, we must not view the person who posts them to be advanced thus blindly surrender to them. 


It's a [common] mistake to assume that because someone has knowledge, they're automatically very advanced. Knowledge certainly has it's place, but anyone can misuse it to make a point.


I mention this because of witnessing someone throw out a large number of  verses in effort to prove their personal belief that Prabhupada's instructions have become irrelevant. (This startled me!) It was followed by some telling them how advanced they are because they knew so many verses.


It needs to be recognized that memorizing verses or purports is Jnana yoga, whereas speaking the philosophy unchanged and "as it is," taught by Srila Prabhupada, is Bhakti yoga


Therefore, everyone needs to read Srila Prabhupada's unchanged books for themselves. Not blindly follow anyone because that person knows a hundred, or thousand, quotes. 


As touched on, quotes have their place and are important. Srila Prabhupada has actually instructed us to use them to support what we say, that it can be seen it is not a mere concoction, but ancient Vedic fact. However, when there is a debate, or else something just doesn't feel right, I've found it is important to google them, because sometimes it is taken out of context, or even twisted. Thus, a different meaning. Other times, not. 


I invite readers to research any quotes I use here if they'd like to see their full context. I am not afraid. :) Feel free to check.


Sure, there will be moments it may be  overwhelming to research each and every quote. That is where your studies of Prabhupada's books will kick in. Be ambitious, as his books are your way out of the material world. So take time to read and study them.


Does what they say jive with your gut, "after" reading his books? Does it feel wrong to entertain such thoughts that, in this case, his teachings have become irrelevant? It actually makes my gut toss and turn! But don't stop with gut feelings - investigate. What did Prabhupada actually instruct? Find out.


Some devotees claim "we can't do that anymore." Hogwash excuse. Show me one place where Prabhupada says that even in the near future, what to speak of further, that we won't be able to do it anymore. There isn't any such instruction. If anything, he said we are to maintain, and do not to change a thing.


If we could do it in the 1960's and 70's, it can be done now. Srila Prabhupada would never give us something we could not do. Simply, one must hold the desire to follow the instruction of his, and do the needful to support following through.


"What Vyāsadeva said, your guru will also say the same thing. Not that "So many hundreds of thousands of years have passed away. Therefore I will give you a new formula." No. There is no new formula.The same Vyāsa-pūjā, the same philosophy. Simply we have to accept it. Then our life will be successful. Thank you very much." - Srila Prabhupada, 761210DB.HYD


On this blog post I am referring to the initiated, or those who wish to live the lifestyle of an initiate - which makes them an initiate. Be smart and do not change a thing. To change may create very bad karmic reactions.


His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada all ready lowered the standard in the wild 60's / 70's, as only he, the pure devotee, has the right and qualification to do. Still, we can get  back to Godhead if we follow him. Whereas to think we, the conditioned soul, can make changes, that is maya nonsense.


"Regarding the Ratha Yatra Festival, keep it always gorgeously alive, but do not change the principle. The principle should go on as usual. Yes, it is all right to make something in the park as you have suggested. Why you want to change the wheels? This is unnecessary. Don't do this. Keep the old system strong, and if necessary repair it. Don't change from this to that. That is your American disease. This is very serious that you always want to change everything. Spoked wheels will never be as strong and hard as the old way. Never do this. Neither there should be any separate float as you have suggested for me." Srila Prabhupada Letter - Bombay 24 November, 1974


There are others who love to apply the popular quote that we can preach according to time, place, and circumstance. Yes, this instruction is there. It's sometimes used to justify making all sorts of changes. However, where to draw the line? Initially it may be hard for some to figure that out, but over time or study it will chime in. IMHO basically: Preaching is one thing - changing the teachings is another.


"You will find that one who is very experienced medical practitioner, he gives you a prescription, and you visit him again and again, he gives you the same prescription unless you are cured. His prescription is so nice that he doesn't change. But a nonexperienced physician, every time you go, he will change the prescription. But actually, those who are experienced, he knows "This is the disease, and ultimately this medicine will cure. So let him repeat that medicine." So our is that platform. Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam (CC Adi 17.21). We repeat only. We don't change: "Now hari-nāma is not curing so let me add, instead of Hare Kṛṣṇa, 'John Kṛṣṇa,' if I may." No. No "John Kṛṣṇa." - SP Lecture on SB 1.3.15 - Los Angeles, September 20, 1972


We really need to grasp that only the pure devotee can make changes - the conditioned soul can not. Otherwise all types of concoctions will arise. Some all ready have. Nip it in the bud and don't let anymore arise, at least not in your own life. 


"Your study aids that you are using to help the children learn the meaning of Bhagavad-gita slokas fully seem to be alright. The thing is, you must see that the meaning of the verse is in no way altered or changed. Simplification is alright but do not change anything."  - Srila Prabhupada Letter - Honolulu, February 2, 1975


Follow Srila Prabhupada's unchanged instructions to find bliss, and of course anyone can chant Hare Krishna. 


"Yes I am glad that your center is doing so well and all the devotees are now appreciating the presence of their spiritual master by following his instructions, although he is no longer present. This is the right spirit." - Srila Prabhupada Letter, September 13, 1970


No one has to take shelter of the institution. Anyone can benefit from chanting Hare Krishna - simple, don't change anything. :) 

"If you concoct, 'I am more intelligent than my Guru, I can make additions and alterations,' then you are finished." - Srila Prabhupada lecture, Philadelphia, 7/12/75

"Now we have to accept knowledge from Vedas, Vedic knowledge, not this rascal's knowledge. Rascal knowledge is that "Yes," as soon as he comes to the imperfect point, "yes, we are trying." You are trying. What is this trying? Trying means that your knowledge is imperfect. And another rascal will come, he will say, "Now here is the perfect." And ten years after, another rascal will come," No, this is not perfect. This is perfect." This is going on. This is called scientific advancement. This is... Advancement means... But we don't change our Vedic knowledge. We do not say, "Now, Kṛṣṇa, five thousand years ago, said like this. Now we are advanced. We change this line." Of course, others are doing. In the scriptures... Just like the Christians, they are changing the words. But you cannot do that. Then where is the authority? If you change the word of the scripture, then where is the authority of the scripture? Just like in lawbooks, there is some law made already. Whimsically you cannot, I mean to say, erase the words and put something that "It should be changed like this." That will not be accepted.Source: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/sb/1/3?d=1


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Thursday, February 25, 2021

Memories No One Else Has

 I have had two memories from the old days as a devotee in Srila Prabhupada's Hare Krishna Movement and to my surprise, no matter how many times I have posted them over decades, no one else seems to remember them. Therefore, I post them here in hopes one day someone may step-up and say "I was there and  remember that!" Or I just post it here for the sake of posterity.

Memory Number One:

I joined and lived in the ashrama at Henry St, Brooklyn New York. Srila Prabhupada came to that Radha / Govinda NY temple when I was lucky to live there at that time.


Everyone wanted to go to the airport to pick him up. And I mean everyone. We all piled into cars and vans galore! It was so much transcendental fun! Chanting the whole way. 


We arrived at the airport and were waiting for Srila Prabhupada to get off the plane so we could pay obeisances.


Airport authorities had previous experiences with devotees [there were simply too many of us.] Therefore they had everyone else deboard first. Many people just getting off the plane. We waited patiently. 


Then there was a gap in time, and a gap in people exiting the plane. Kind of quiet, no one else got off. We figured that space indicated everyone else was off, and they would next have Prabhupada deboard. We were all so very excited waiting and now it was his turn! 


The minute someone started to exit the plane, we hit the ground. As I / we got up, it was not him. :) 


It turned out to be a business man! lol Suit, briefcase, etc. My godsister & I joked to each other - what must he have thought about everyone hitting the ground at his presence. ha [He appeared humble tho.] We kind of chuckled at ourselves as well. 


Finally, Srila Prabhupada got off the plane and we were able to pay obeisances to him.


If you were there and have this memory, please email me. 


Memory Number Two:

Technically I have mentioned this elsewhere on this blog. However, IMHO it would be hard to find if looking for it, so I'm including it here. Besides, it deserves to be here. 


The regular news was scary. Big fear had arisen that Word War Three just might break-out! A lot of political turmoil was going on. If it continued to play out, it would not only effect those involved in politics, but the average person. 


At that point in time I was living in the Laguna Beach Temple in California. Srila Prabhupada gave a world-wide instruction for everyone to go out on Harinama 24/7! That's right, twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. This did not mean we each had to put in that much time individually. No. It only meant to keep "someone" or several someone's out on the streets chanting. This would change the vibration  on the planet, uplifting it.


I remember putting my baby into the  stroller at Laguna and going out an hour and a half regularly, to help chant on Harinama for this specific purpose. Oh I love Harinama anyway. It is bliss! 


After some time there was no more threat that WWIII was about to happen. Prabhupada said it was due to us going out, world-wide, spreading the transcendental vibrations of the Holy Names. In other words, we, or really Krishna's holy names - stopped WW III.


I finally found one devotee, many years ago, who remembered this. However, we lost  touch. If there is anyone out there with this memory, email me. 


And if ya don't have these memories, no big deal - now you sort of do. :)



Tuesday, November 17, 2020

Liquid Fast

UPDATE: Discovered I have  S.I.B.O., similar to I.B.S. Also discovered terrific treatment! If you want to skip the process I went thru, scroll to the last entry, "DAY 5." Tho some may find the journey interesting. There's also a spiritual story that surprised this fallen soul, under 'Day 5.' :) Krishna's mercy knows no bounds! And it IS just mercy, as I am a struggling rascal.


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                DAY 1

So, I woke up a few days ago - sick. Could not keep anything inside my body. Currently our kitchen is in upheaval due to some carpentry work. As a result, it's hard to find much of anything. Including the right herbs or medicine. 


First I tried certain OTC / over the counter meds. They kind of worked, until I stopped taking them. 


I ate a certain diet that was suppose to help. However, it only reduced the issues. They quickly came back - overnight - twice.


Finally I decided to do a liquid fast. No, I am not great at fasting. Oh when I was  young I did some days of liquid fasting. But that was a long time ago. 


Those with autoimmune issues are not really suppose to fast. (Hashimotto's Hypothyroidism is mine.) And it's not recommended for old people. (Well, I'm old, but not THAT old, I think. ha.) Incidentally, children, young folk, and pregnant or nursing ladies should not fast.


For some of the above reasons, and others, I have not done any type of health fast for decades.  [I observe Ekadasi. Not talking of holidays or for spiritual reasons. Only speaking of health reasons.]


So far I have gone all day drinking water and nothing else. Not sure how long I will last :) which is also why I am posting about it. Will update as time goes on.


However, I am all ready getting health benefits. And that too is why I am posting about it. I hope to list them later, when I can double check to make sure they are really happening.


Years ago, ok decades ago, I did a 7 day Liquid Fast. It was hard. But I succeeded it. How? I had a few tricks, which I am now using.


One is that I read about the benefits of liquid fasting, often. Especially when hunger twinges set in. I pulled out a book that I wish I still had but do not. It was small, but very potent. I read it all throughout the day but especially when I felt weak. Both physically but also just wanting to give up, reading about it stopped me from quitting. 


Another little trick I learned was to lay down when hungry, tired, or weak. Shut eyes a few minutes. Of course, one can't fast if going to work or school, etc. It has to be done when there is time to yourself.

 

Nor should anyone do it by following my ideas. Please get a book or do a good netsearch for qualified help. 

 

That little book I had years ago, had great information. It explained that hunger pains go away. I did not know that. I thought if you don't feed them to calm them, they roar louder. Well sure, at first. But if able to wait longer, they die down. 


That book talked of people curing tumors and diseases. One man saw his tumor shrink before his eyes, as a result of Liquid Fasting. Inspiring? Yes. It's why it's important to find your own book, or own favorite site on the topic that has both medical knowledge and testimonials.


Another tip is that when hungry, taking a big chug of pure water calms down the hunger. No, it won't replace a meal ha. We're talking of liquid fasting here, not soup. :)


Tho vegetarian broth, with the vegetables strained out and fully removed so it really is only liquid - this is acceptable as part of a liquid fast. I have not done this yet today because I am sick. But as I get better, I probably will.


Herbal tea is also acceptable. Dandelion root is very good for the liver. Tho it has a slight laxative effect. Take it or leave it, you decide.


It's also important to take a daily Vitamin / Mineral pill or liquid when fasting. Extremely important!


Anyway, I am not making any commitment to how many days I shall do this. If I can get thru one day, I will be thrilled. :) 

 

That makes it easier, for me anyway, because there is no pressure. Just checking how my health is doing.


I will update this post to let readers know how things are going. Other ideas that come to me as I go thru this, I will try to add here.


Some may wonder: "What does this have to do with spiritual life?" 

 

Well, when time is not spent cooking or eating, it is available for other things - like chanting! I have been happily sitting here, chanting Stotrams and mantras. Also there is more time for reading. I've been reading Srimad Bhagavatam online. I may return to put a link to that later. It makes a person feel bliss, and hope! <3


Liquid fasting is not for everyone. If it is not for you, do not feel bad! I refused to do it for years and years. My body has forced me into it today. ha And for that I am happy. But if it did not, I would be happy chanting Hare Krishna. 


After the following disclaimer, I will add DAY 2, below. Keep scrolling. :)


ALL DISCLAIMERS APPLY. Nothing here is to replace a medical professional. Speak to a licensed doctor etc, as well as be responsible for your own actions and choices.

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8 Health Benefits of Fasting, Backed by ScienceNice summary of the medical health benefits, plus scroll to read precautions.

 

Books to Read When Fasting - or Not Fasting :) - Download them free. They are yours to keep. From small books like "Perfection of Yoga," to "Nectar Of Devotion," or "Srimad Bhagavatam," and "Caitanya Caritamrita" plus more! 

 

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           DAY 2 - LIQUID FASTING: 

It's around 9 a.m. and I have not eaten breakfast. Tho I am drinking water.

 

I feel the need to reiterate, children require all their nutrients and should not fast. Healthy young people also should not fast. Feeble senior citizens should not. And of course, women who are pregnant or nursing should not fast. 

 

It's not that no one should fast. LOL  I just don't want folks to do it and if it doesn't work for them, or if there's some problem, then they blame me. So please be responsible. Do your homework, read the disclaimer. Moving on:


Personally, I am doing a detox. As we age and live in this kaliyuga world of environmental pollution. There's impure food and water, car exhaust & factory fumes, nail polish or paint or chemicals, a whole in our ozone, and so on. This results in our bodies absorbing all sorts of toxins. It is these toxins I am trying to get out. Those, and currently I am sick, so I have plenty of gunk to be released. However a healthy person does not. And a sick person may need to find out if this is the route they should go, or not. Talk to a professional health care practitioner. 


On to my day: Currently I am reading Srimad Bhagavatam online, taking breaks to chant some of my favorite mantras. 


For my health, I am taking Berberine (herbal) and a couple other things not worth mentioning as they will not effect liquid fasting. I am not that hungry. Got a few twinges, drank water. The water feels very cleansing.

 

Trying to wait to say it but can't help myself :) as there is a big health issue I have not mentioned, that appears to be clearing up! Time will tell. However, it is noticing things like this that helps a person keep up the liquid fasting. Some may find it helpful to write it in a journal.  


Will your family support you if you decide to do a liquid fast? This has been my concern. Oh, mine will be all for it. In that way, they will support. But will they talk about what to eat next or what food to buy in town? This is the challenge most of us have. However, just talk to them and remind them to keep such chat short, when it is necessary. Then pick up a book or distract the mind somehow or other.


Next, one might wonder about juicing. Am I going to make and drink fresh homemade juice? Right now, I am not. However, it is perfectly in line with Liquid Fasting. It's even a good idea. For me, I would not be able to keep it down at this point. Plus, it would be too much work considering how I am feeling. Then there is the extra issue of not having a functioning kitchen at the moment. However, I mention juicing because it is a great healer! In the past, I have juiced a lot. Anyone interested in the healing benefits of juicing, please do a good netsearch. Remember, it must be organic.


It is now 10 p.m. and my day is over. Somehow, I made it! Hooray! :) I must tell you folks out there, toward the end it was getting hard. But I followed my own advice ha, read about fasting, kept reading Prabhupada's books, and got a little stubborn about it all ha, and made it thru the day. Now, I can not promise I will do it tomorrow, but I am hopeful. Tune in and see. :) I'll put a couple more links below - right under the disclaimer. Goodnight for now.


ALL DISCLAIMERS APPLY. Nothing here is to replace a medical professional. Speak to a licensed doctor etc, as well as be responsible for your own actions and choices.

 

Vegan Liquid Diet: I am not a vegan, and proud to follow Prabhupada's teachings on Ahimsa or at least Organic milk. However, for healing, even Ayurveda says under certain circumstances [such as mucous production] to fast from milk. With that said, this site has some great tips on how to ease into a fast, how to ease out of it, and why to do one. 

Srimad Bhagavatam: Read a lovely story about Dhruva Maharaja. He returns home. Nectar! For those who can't read Sanskrit, just scroll past it. It's no big deal and some who do read Sanskrit scroll past it themselves. :) 

 

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          DAY 3 - LIQUID FASTING:  


 It's 9:25, been up awhile. It's a good day for a carob hot drink, or peppermint tea. The carob is a little more filling since it is a powder. Sweeten with organic xylitol. Some like raw honey, organic.

 

Not sure how much longer I can do this liquid fast, but this next reminds me to read the benefits of fasting. And after reading that, to read something from Prabhupada's books to bring everything full circle. 


It's still early, so not much to say that hasn't been said. Will be back later. Incidentally, my writing all this is not just about me. That is there. However, I do this because I hope someone finds something beneficial here. 


It's 3 p.m. now, and I must say, I am feeling a bit more clear. Both mentally and physically.

 

Of course, we are not our bodies, we are spirit soul and will one day be dragged out of our bodies with our last breath. I am not trying to put too much emphasis on the material body, but to put too little is not good either. So we must try to heal our bodies, when we can. And in the process, to think of Krishna, read about Krishna, Prabhupada, etc.


Right now I am watching a fantastic video of Prabhupada's Samadhi, a place camera's usually can not get into. It is on Facebook and I'm not sure if it is public or private. This is a great thing to watch while liquid fasting. Not only takes the mind off of eating, it is spiritually elevating.


It is now almost 8 p.m. When I haven't eaten all day, night becomes the hardest. Not sure how much longer I will last. Just being honest. 


And it's not that I need to last much longer. I never committed to anything more than moment by moment. :) And it worked. It got me thru three days!


However, check back tomorrow and see where it goes from here. :)


RELATED LINKS:

Mastering Intermittent Fasting On A Plant Based Diet - Interesting site. Hits up a variety of points. Talks about circadian rhythms of your body, aging with agility, blood glucose levels, and much more. 

 

With any link I give, take what you like, and leave what you don't. :)

 

ALL DISCLAIMERS APPLY. Nothing here is to replace a medical professional. Speak to a licensed doctor etc, as well as be responsible for your own actions and choices.

 

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                   DAY 4

Not sure how to title this because I am now eating, but very lightly. I actually plan to do some intermittent fasting. That is where you eat a little, than fast a little. So unlike a full liquid fast, I am now doing something a little different. 


Tho I do not plan on following the ratio often given for intermittent fasting. They are a good guideline for those who want it, but I am just going to follow the needs of my body. 

 

Not referring to the pushings of hunger, tho they are to be included. But also how the health of my body is improving. Incidentally, previously I was sick and am now about 80% better.  

 

Though there came a point where the sickness needed to eat a little to get better. It worked too! Now I'm going full circle to intermittent fasting. 


I've never written such a person blog post and it feels a bit strange. In a sense it helped me fast. Also, this is not just for me, but if any ideas, or mess ups ha that I did, help someone else, good. 

 

Actually IMHO it's important to be kind to yourself and recognize it's ok to not do it perfectly. If a mistake is made, or a slip-up, that's ok. Just get back to it. As long as you really wanted to do a Liquid Fast in the first place. 

 

And as I always say, don't do it willy-nilly. First check with a health care practitioner, and also read qualified books or links on the how-to's.


Did fasting cause me to get better? Partially. If you recall, I was taking medicine for illness. There were powerful herbs, and they did their job. 

 

Also, what I had was a stomach sickness. That makes it easier to fast. And it's why I reiterate that I am not pushing folks to fast, nor am I good at it. I just had something going on with my body that demanded it anyway.

Initially I was fighting the inability to eat and keep it down, thinking: "Why won't this stay in me?!!! I need to eat!" However, when I thought about it further, I was able to figure it out. Then I made a conscious choice not to eat, and I was at peace. My stomach wasn't ha, but the rest of me was.

And this shows the difference between force and free choice. No one should force another person. From Krishna Consciousness to child rearing to most anything. Ok, except for stepping in front of a moving truck by accident; then we should force the person to stop walking. Things like that. :) But for most others, it is better to use free will. Give a person a choice, a chance to think about it, include knowledge on whatever it may be - and 9 times out of 10 they will make the right choice.

What if they make the wrong choice? Except for the obvious [back to that moving truck ha], who are we to judge what is the right choice for each person? (Of course, I am speaking within the boundaries of Krishna Consciousness.) What may appear as wrong to us, may be the best thing for another person. Sometimes God even sets it up that way. We wonder why. Then later, something good happens to that person.

Okay, it is now after 10 p.m. and I feel the day went well. Will there be more tomorrow? I do not know. :) Check back and see. 

 

RELATED:

What Are The Benefits Of Intermittent Fasting? - Good one to read to keep a person going. 

 

Vaibhava Prakasha - What happens when Krishna has to choose between two devotees? Sweet animated video. IMHO for any age - adults included.


ALL DISCLAIMERS APPLY. Nothing here is to replace a medical professional. Speak to a licensed doctor etc, as well as be responsible for your own actions and choices.

 

   DAY 5:  WONDERFUL, LATEST UPDATE!

     [Krishna heals / straightens the hump of Kubja's spine.]
 

 It has been at least 3 weeks since the above and much has transpired. For the better. Tho initially had its challenges.

 

The following is a copy and paste off my fb wall. In it I have omitted what I did via the fasting cuz, well, it was just overwhelming to write every thing I did. All of the above remains true and helpful. It simply would have been more helpful if I had a diagnosis. Than I would have known, for example, exactly "what" liquid soup would work best, and etc. 


With that said, here it is:


I have a story to share & not fully clear how to go about it, but it's regarding a health issue, & prayer or Krishna. I'll do my best to describe what happened. Forgive my mistakes please.

Oh, I should mention - if you get queasy easily even tho medical names are used, keep on scrollin'. 🙂 But if you'd like to hear how maybe prayer/Krishna might have helped, tolerate. 🙂

A little 'over' 2 weeks ago, I developed sudden onset diarrhea. It's been h*ll! The first few days I tried to heal it myself, as it's usually able to be healed with home remedies. Even google agrees.

But no luck. So I called the doc. It was a weekend so had to wait until Monday.  And Monday I phoned. They don't answer, they return your call. When I finally got a return call, it was the wrong doc. [I temporary have more then one.] Ok, so next day I called the right doc. They return the call  & give me a prescription over the phone. I only point all of this out to show how long it took just to get all this.
 

I spent about 5 days on the script. It worked, sort of. I would have had to live on the stuff, cuz the minute I went off it.... <fill in the blank>. In addition, the medicine was giving me stomach pains, with nausea.

It alone was not enough. I "had" to take PeptoBismol/pink stuff for it to go the extra mile. And to contribute to being able to finally eat.

Again I call the doc. This was a good ten days ago. They say I have to come in this time, but not until the 29th! Of course I took the appointment. Tho the medicine left an awful smell on my breath.

I was miserable. Weak. Could not do my saddhana, or even clean the house, not even a little. To shower and scroll fb was the most I could manage. 


I would not even share this if it wasn't for something kind of spiritual that recently happened.

Fast-forward about 20 etc days into all of this - the other night before putting my deities / murties to bed, I talked to Them. Or maybe it's prayer. IMHO, both.
 

I said something along the lines of: "Dear Baby Krsihna, Ladhu Gopal, Pancatattva [pic], Dhanvantari [pic], Hanumanji, LaksmiNarasimha - why are You letting this go on with me? Why don't You help me?" But I quickly modified it, to: "I am sure I don't deserve it. I know I am a fallen rascal & do not deserve Your intervention or help. But would You show mercy & do it anyway?" Along those lines I was also asking for the right keywords to google to get the right answers for what is wrong with me, and how to treat it.

I had just spent many many days googling my symptoms, guessing words, and doing what they said - with only small help. However, that next morning I found all the right key words!

What I have is called SIBO or Small Intestine Bacteria Overgrowth. Bingo! I know this is right because as soon as I tried those methods to heal - they worked!  I read home remedies for this have been proven to work as good as prescriptions. Since I could not go to the doctor until the 29th, I went for it.

Admittedly, I thought even if it was going to work, it would take time. But that same day, I was able to go off all alopathic medication. The script, the Imodium [it initially was less painful than the script], and the PeptoBismol. One day! 


It is now day 2. Oh my stomach still rumbles, and I must keep doing the natural, herbal treatment cuz it is too soon to be fully cured. But I know I am on my way out of this!

I only write about it because I feel it was talking to my deities / murties that made the difference! It's not that I had not talked to Them before. I am not fully sure what made the difference, but I suspect I was able to get a little more focused. Yes, I was. And spent a little more time at it.

In any case, I feel Krishna etc did indeed intervene. How can I suddenly figure out the keywords when, all that time prior, I kept going round in circles with the same ones. Yet after prayers to Krishna on the topic, the very next morning, it all came to me. Prayer works. Talking to your deities, works. I hope this story inspired someone out there. It is the only reason I shared it.

Thank you dear Lord Krishna, Ladhu Gopal, LaksmiNarasimhadeva, & Everyone Else on my altar! Srila Prabhuapda ki jai!

P.S. I am not special. This can happen for anyone. Matter of fact, I am a struggling devotee. Ya just have to be sincere, and talk / pray to your deities. Not suggesting anything sahajiya or cheap. One must maintain awe and reverence while talking to God. It doesn't need to be fear-based and can be friendly, just friendly with awe and reverence. You'll figure it out. :) 


And we need to try to not be attached. God can do whatever He wants, or does not want - with or without our comprehension. 

 

Initially I wondered why, when I had mentioned it to Him/Deities/Murties before, nothing changed, yet it did this time. Then I suspected, this is what mercy is all about. It has no rhyme or reason. It is simply given when God feels like it. It may not be something I did not do, or did do - well other than keep approaching Him. That parts important. :) However the rest? He did what He wanted, when He wanted - and that's mercy. 🙂 ❤ We ourselves can't give Him up if He does not do what we ask. That is not love of God, that is a business deal. 

 

It's not about chronically asking this or that from the Lord. It is only when something was really getting in the way of my health and of my saddhana, that I asked. We should worship Him, regardless.


Next, I can't seem to find the wonderful web site that had a list of what to take that helped me. Therefore, I will write it here from memory BUT what worked for me may or may not work for you. Everyone is different, and apparently, so is this SIBO!


Cinnamon - not the red type, rather the brown. This was a major game changer for me. So powerful that I broke it up in small pieces, put it near my bed, and when I woke, I grabbed a piece to suck on or chew before I went back to sleep. Everything got under control! I was able to go off all medication! 


It was the BROWN Cinnamon that made the difference for me! When I woke in the middle of the night before & had to reach for an Imodium pill, I discovered now that reaching for pieces of this specific type of cinnamon ran a close 2nd to giving the same results! Phew. :) It's official strain? Cinnamomum "burmanni." Also known as "Indonesian" Cinnamon. Bought mine in bulk years ago from Amazon, company: Frontier.


Oil Of Oregano - Fortunately my husband happened to have some. This worked like an antibiotic. This oil can actually be dangerous to the liver or etc! One must know what they are doing & I am borderline reluctant to share this info BUT it can also be dangerous to never get rid of SIBO! Therefore, first please speak to a qualified, knowledgeable & licensed Health Care Practitioner. I took even a smaller dose than the bottle said, for the sake of safety. I feel it is working and take it 2 times a day. Note: It is far safer to use the herb. Thyme also works similarly. Though I do not even feel this was the most important thing to take. 


Berberine: Yes, I was on the right track with this one, mentioned above. It was high on the list of herbs to take for SIBO.  UPDATE: I have found Golden Seal "root" to be easier on the stomach and it contains berberine. Not sure if it is as potent as berberine itself, but it worked just as well for me. 

 

Grapeseed Extract - Similar to berberine in the way that it's a natural antibiotic. I seem to need a few different types or strains. If getting this, some may prefer the vegetarian encapsulated version to avoid the taste.


Thayers Slippery Elm Lozengers: Great for coating  the stomach! They come in pill form as well. Both work. Lozengers are faster, but once the pills kick in, they work too.


Probiotics: This is crucial for correcting SIBO! Tho it is recommended not to get prebiotics and said many probiotics automatically include those. So read the ingredients carefully. With that said, this helps mend much of the damage in the gut. 

 

Atrantil: This is herbal and I was surprised how powerfully this worked! It's a little expensive, but so is going to the doctor, getting lots of testing done, going back to the doctor, if lucky getting results of the tests with answers, followed by a prescription. Nothing wrong with going that route if ya want - just saying, for me, this product worked! Got things under control, plus drastically reduced the pain. While this is placed at the end, I found it is one of "the" most important and 'the' most helpful. I put their amazon travel pack above but they have a web site with, as of this writing & IMHO, a better deal. Here they carry a larger bottle and you get many more capsules.


Make product similar to Atrantil Yourself: When sick, ya may not be up to this, especially if making many runs to the bathroom. Simultaneously, you just may! This guy shows how to make a similar product yourself, that costs less. Of course you will need to front the money for bulk products, have or purchase a capsule machine, buy "vegetarian" empty capsules. But it just may be worth the investment, especially if you have SIBO. Five minute video here.


ALLIMAX: A natural antibiotic. I've been reluctant to put this here since it's made from garlic and some devotees may criticize. If ya don't like it, don't take it. I found it more potent than the above mentioned herbal antibiotics. And when your stomach is doing the "heave-ho!" one can't be fussy. I was able to eliminate the Oil of Oregano, the Grape seed oil, the Berberine, Sage, Thyme, and a few others not listed here. While they all helped, none of them did for me, what Allimax did! This is a professional product used by Naturaopaths, etc. It's a little costly, but IMHO, it's cheaper than taking a group  of herbs to try to get the same results. And I still did not.


UPDATE: It is now April 3rd. Some with SIBO say they have had it for ten years or more and can't get free of it. Scared me, like it may the reader. However, it is why I post my improvement of approximately 5 months. And here it is:


Thus far, I feel 85% better! I also have control over SIBO bathroom issues, painful stomach, nausea! While I will not know for certain if I will become cured, this level of improvement, compared to others, gives a lot of genuine hope.


I have added Crystallized Ginger Slices. This has helped immensely. It is for motility. Even if you have the hydrogen type of sibo [running to the bathroom too much] there are times, especially with the treatments or diet changes to slow things down], that motility has slowed too much.  These Crystallized Ginger Slices can make the difference for some. 


Another benefit I found from them: Solved my nausea! Not only the medical properties of ginger itself [tho that is included], but the way it is like a thick jelly. This coated my  stomach and anything else that was making me nauseated. It does have sugar on it and while I keep sugar at bay, this is an exception for me, because it works!


Here is my current herbal program:


- Atrantril,

- Allimax,

- Crystallized Ginger Slices

- Indonesian Cinnamon sticks.


Sometimes soil-based Probiotics, but not always. Basically, I am down to needing only 4 main products daily! I still require them, but the progress has been realistically hopeful!  Ok, maybe it is five. However, the probiotics are about mending what was torn apart - whereas the above 4 are about getting me thru my day without bathroom runs, nausea, pain! So all are needed. 


SIBO BREATH: This is a term I made up ha, tho would not be surprised if others have thought of it too. It is different from  regular bad breath. It is breath that smells like a chemical. Maybe alcohol, others say gasoline smell, or nail polish  remover / paint thinner. It can be different for different people but the bottom line is, it smells like a chemical. And it is not limited to coming from the mouth or nose. It comes out of every pore of the body! Bed-sheets, pillowcases, and blankets will smell like it in the morning! Now, I did not have this on day one. Therefore some may not yet have yet, and some do not get it at all. Anyway, I found a solution. Of course, in every way must work on healing. With that said, an  herb that got rid of Sibo-breath, and sibo bed-sheets for that matter ha, was the Indonesian Cinnamon Sticks. Worked like a charm - for me.


Next, have also modified my diet, but only going to give a summary. Those with previous belief systems on sibo diet and feel certain parts here are not healthy - do not criticize - just keep on scrolling. 


Or you can  take what you like, leave what you don't. After all, it's not like it's unhealthy. And everyone is different.


For those drawn to Fodmap, I only do the parts that works on me as an individual. So basically, I do not use it. However, if it works for you, go for it.


My basic diet:


Remember, everyone is different. What works for me, may, or may not, work for you.


Potatoes. Not everyone with sibo can eat them, I can. They calm my stomach!


Steamed Greens. But nothing with surfer, no broccoli, no cruciferous veggies = pain! What I can eat are: steamed string beans, okra, eggplant [tho I did not touch that in the beginning], zucchini was great;  most any type of squash. Any color squash has been ok for me, but I found cooked carrots to bring some discomfort. So it's not limited to color. Beets are fine.


Avocado's are terrific! Google all the vitamins and minerals they have.


A little Cheese. [Many say no dairy, but with hydrogen type sibo, I eat foods that slow things down. Plus, dairy is an improvement over allopathic meds. Buy organic. If you have methane type sibo [can't visit the bathroom enough] skip the cheese! :) 


Bananas, organic of course. [For hydrogen sibo.]


Cream Of Tartar / Potassium: This is an easy way to get a decent dose of potassium, and potassium is required for good digestion. Now if you have hydrogen type of sibo therefore things are very active [too many bathroom trips], this may not be the time to add this. However, if that is under control, it has been seen that even those who are sensitive in the hydrogen way, sometimes upon healing or just from the treatment itself, may get a little constipated.  Adding some cream of tartar often moves things along. Don't take too much. Google side effects of overdose. But not to go the other extreme. Too little is bad too. Personally, I add 1 teaspoon into my salad once  daily and no more than that. Mix well. :)


Salad: I could NOT eat this for months! But can I now. Apparently some with sibo find cucumbers easy on the stomach. No tomatoes for me, yet, but over time, maybe. I find the ability to now eat leafy salad as a sign of healing. 


Salad Dressing: Apple Cider Vinegar raw and organic. It's  HCL aids digestion! Mix with organic Olive Oil.  Himalayan Salt. 


Kefir: Again, some can't eat a drop of dairy, while others can. After reading how one man cured his SIBO with kefir, I gave it a try. It did not cure me, but it did not hurt me either. It does contain it's own probiotics too. Now I can not eat yogurt. Oddly, that hurt my stomach - a little. But not the kefir. Plain kefir is best though they all are ok. 


Kombucha: Some may criticize me for this, but please note: Prabhupada was a pharmacist and I read a letter he wrote purchasing "spirits" to make tinctures. Kombucha is not spirits tho I don't know how it's made, and don't put a lot of attention into it because it is a non-dairy Probiotic!!! It has made the world of difference. I had to mention this because if someone out there is in pain or has nausea, etc, this may help. Recommend only one per day tho. And it can keep you  awake so do not drink after 2 p.m. Most contain a lot of sugar and are high in calories. However, amazon has a brand that contains zero sugar, and is low in calories. It's called Remedy


Apple. Could not eat that at first either. But now I can. Organic.


Watermelon. 


Jasmine Rice, organic.


Quinoa. Organic.


Pistachio nuts: Found they did not hurt my stomach at all.  


Cashews: Technically not a nut, tho not important. What's important is that I found it easy enough to digest. No pain for me. 


Puffed Rice / rice cakes. Since I can't eat chapatis or any form of wheat [a big no no!], this is a good replacement. Need I mention organic? :) Anyhow, spray a little olive oil on top of a rice cake, instead of using butter. 


Peanut Butter: Organic, unsweetened. Small amount. Could not eat at first, can now.


I've often wondered if those who have not healed in 10, 20 years - have this problem due to meat eating. I can't prove that, but when I see them post what they do eat, asking what is wrong with it, why they still feel pain - it usually has at least eggs mentioned, or chicken soup, etc. Really folks, there is all kind of karma involved in eating flesh foods.  Maintaining poor health is one of them.


RELATED:


Alternatives to Antibiotics for SIBO - Good info. Short. Read  closely!


ALL DISCLAIMERS APPLY. Nothing here is to replace a medical professional. Speak to a licensed doctor etc, as well as be responsible for your own actions and choices.