I'm an old foggie who joined in the 70's. Perhaps I am merely use to things being a certain way. Simultaneously, when it comes to transcendental knowledge, those instructions are ageless.
Some years back I was so happy to see wonderful Harinama of the younger generation. Though soon noticed the dancing was incredibly different from the type we did.
I give much credit for the sincere who go out. It is not their fault if no one taught them correctly. Concurrently, I can not minimize Prabhupada's instructions.
I take issue with the 'way' women have been dancing on Harinama. Some of my godsiblings may think I make too much of this. I hope they will forgive me - as it just seems so opposite of what Prabhupada taught us when it comes to the topic of Harinama.
The first time I saw the dancing, I could not figure out why, but it just hit me as wrong. It took me awhile to put my finger on it. Finally I did, and came to similar conclusions to what other devotees are 'also' pointing out:
It's too sensual, and takes attention off the Holy Names, placing more onto beautiful women.
Don't get me wrong, I've no problem with women being beautiful, and disagree with putting bags over their heads or hiding them in the home devoid of Sankirtana participation.
Matter of fact, I've even no problem with the attachment these women seem to have for dancing in this way IF they stop calling it Harinama and instead call it theater or a parade or similar. That would be bonafide.
But when I think of Harinama, I think of Prabhupada, I think of the old days, I think of what it use to be like, and how everyone all over the globe danced the exact same way Lord Chaitanya danced - as Prabhupada taught.
“Regarding
your question about the dancing, the dancing should be done
enthusiastically by raising the hands like Panca-tattva. You can also
dance enthusiastically by raising hands. All of Lord Chaitanya’s
followers used to dance with raised hands. If someone dances with
ecstasy, that is all right, but it is better to dance with raised
hands.”
Srila Prabhupauda Letter, 11/10/75
When I see the modern devotee ladies doing what looks like the Hawaiian Hula - it says to me that what we were doing in the past is considered boring, or viewed as not fancy enough, or not up with the times, or <fill in the blank with some dissatisfaction>.
However, such reasons are inaccurate - at best.
Do not blame these young women. I've actually read fanatics call them prostitutes, which is offensive and an aparadha! Reading such nonsense is probably why I would stick up for them for quite a while. These are chaste ladies following what their authorities tell them to do.
With that said, why no one takes this wrong style of dancing to bigger authorities, or is at least annoyed enough about it as a deviation - is beyond me. It has now become acceptable as Harinama. Personally I believe if Prabhupada were to see it, he'd disapprove, and make corrections.
“Just like see Caitanya Mahäprabhu. He is chanting and dancing, chanting and dancing, you see, the same thing. This picture is before you so that gradually, when you feel ecstasy, you will also dance like Him." ~ SPL on Maha Mantra NY Sept 8, 66
Although their new dancing has its place, that place is elsewhere.... at a RathaYatra, as part of a play/theater, at a Festival, on a stage somewhere, or in the streets as a Parade. Just call it what it is. Names are important. Without them, it's Impersonalism. The purpose of a play/theater is entertainment which we dovetail and make spiritual. Even if ya don't like what these young women do, it can be used for preaching purposes as in joining other popular parades, or of course going out on their own parade.
But the purpose of Harinama is different from that of entertainment. It's not to place focus on ourselves but onto the Holy Names AND so others can join in if they wish. Not everyone can follow that Hula dance. :-)
To clarify, no hips are moving, but there is a wiggling of the arms/wrists/hands 2 or 3 times to each side. Back and forth, side-to-side. Prabhupada never instructed any wiggling or sideways movements of the hands/wrists.
Instead hands are to go above the head - IMHO that means up toward God/Krishna. Also, it's a motion representing surrender.
Additionally, the current, modern ladies, walk to make sure to move their legs/feet in "perfect" unison - more like that of a school dance, cheering team, or part of a parade. Whereas our footsteps were only somewhat united - really just normal walking thru the streets, and sharing the song.
Any physical unity was merely natural - no endeavor required. Look at old videos and you will see, the style of dressing as well as stepping was kept simple - not like the modern version.
(1970's style Harinama standing on the sidewalk singing.)
I have avoided putting pics of the modern devotee women because I don't want to discourage these new devotees, and understand they are merely doing what they were told. Though it is difficult not to share those, because than you could see the difference.
While there is no doubt they are lovely, some out there may not "initially" see a difference, whereas if we put the pics side by side - women who did Harinama when Prabhupada was in charge - and those doing it now - the difference would be blatantly obvious.
These days some even are given dance lessons to coordinate, or dance back-to-back, or etc.
Comparatively, our biggest drill was the Swami Step lol [no drill required], and to check if anyone was wearing mismatched socks. lol
Seriously though, if there has to be any choreography, that disqualifies it as Harinama. Then it becomes (spiritual) Eentertainment. Even kirtana is not meant to be showy.
"Practicing
is already done by kirtana. It is not required for us to become
artists. Our main point is service to Krishna, not to please an
audience. We shall not divert our attention too much to adjustment of
musical sounds. People should not misunderstood that we are a band of
musical artists. They must know that we are devotees of Krishna. Our
devotional practice and purity shall be so strong that wherever we chant
there will be immediately an impression in the audience for devotion to
Krishna." (Srila Prabhupada Letter to Tamala Krishna 69-10-30
Harinama and parade are currently being treated as one and the same. They are not. The modern version is a "performance."
Since performances are acceptable under the title of Parade, Theater, etc - why is it that those who participate and do this fancy dancing, rebel against calling it that? There is no harm in putting on a bona-fide show, or holding a parade. Only benefit.
Some readers may feel, "So what, they are attracting many, and there's nothing wrong with looking great!"
I never said there was anything wrong with looking great [scroll up if you need to reread about that aspect.] Of course we should look presentable, but that's common sense. It's been taken further.
And of course they are attracting many. Any bit of Prabhupada's teaching can attract. Krishna's name means "all attractive."
However, it is not as if people were not attracted in the past, but now they are. No. We attracted folks previously with our simple dance, simple clothing, and focus on holy names as what to utilize for attracting. Better to attract through Prabhupada's technique.
Why do I care? Because it's not in line with His Divine Grace's instructions about Harinama. As with the books, the saree /dhoti issue, and others I've not time to mention at the moment - little changes here, there, elsewhere - eventually results in making acceptable many unbonafide changes. If we are to represent Prabhupada's Movement we must do it his way.
When I was young and went out on Harinama, sometimes a person would join in with us. It was nectar! So much fun. Purifying for all involved. But that is rare these days, as not every one feels comfortable trying to match the new dance, even if they were allowed to jump in. Everyone should feel capable of the dance.
Just saw yet another photo of them. A woman up front held her arms out and to the side/middle, in a straight line facing the viewer. The next women, keeping a specific space between them, held her arms slightly higher than the first lady. The 3rd, also carefully spaced apart, held her arms up even higher than the last. And so on. What the heck is this? I never saw that, ever. More theatrics. Which is fine if it's in theater. Four-armed forms on Harinama? Never instructed by Srila Prabhupada.
Another new vox populi has been the hand / two finger gesture, slid over the eyes, often seen in Hindu movies. I've never once seen Prabhupada do that, nor tell any of his female disciples to do that on Harinama. This is not Bollywood, not even BharatNatyama [which has it's place, elsewhere]. Harinama is the spreading of Krishna's names.
Sorry to others who may feel uncomfortable reading this - just had to point out these various, tho related, aspects.
In part, felt obliged to, because of a post I saw suggestive to the contrary. It was from some of these ladies, who basically commented: "It's about energy and what Prabhupada was trying to do." ....... No. Otherwise he would have had us do it.
Energy is impersonal. Sound vibration is personal. Quotes reveal Krishna dances on the tongue during chanting.
There's no question of what Prabhupada wanted. It's not something we finally figured out or finally achieved. Rather, he's very clear in his instructions, and it was achieved. Nowhere is this modern dance concoction acceptable as Harinama.
As entertainment? Sure, no problem. Call it Street Theater or Etc.
However, when looking at a Buddhist monk or Catholic priest / nun, we expect a certain amount of simplicity in both their appearance and behavior.
It needs to be added - I've also seen some men doing that Russian Squat dance - or Break-dancing. Therefore, it is not limited to women.
UPDATE: Have been recently seeing people, probably men, wearing frog and lizard masks out on Harinama. My goodness, what is going on? Again, not to misunderstand.If they want to call it a parade etc etc that's fine. But they are not. And this is a problem. Harinama comes from scripture. It has very clear instruction with the "how to's" and they are not hard. We are not trying to look like frogs or do comedy hour or trying to draw attention to 'ourselves.' We are trying to draw attention to the holy names. Save the rest for entertainment. Tho I myself would not want to go to such a show ha, but maybe some do. Put on a play for them. Leave Harinama alone.
Some may point out they can find pictures of the women up front even in the old days. I agree! It was one of those things where ya had to be there to understand what was going on. And here is the summarized reason:
Nondevotees were having a lot of trouble accepting women in the back. [Where they sometimes, incorrectly, wound up front - thus one reason for the pictures.] They viewed refusing women to be in front in a very poor light. Therefore, sometimes the women were "brought" up front. You can't see that in the camera. Some of those pics were arranged, tho others were not.
Is this the same as what's being done today; pleasing the nondevotee for the sake of preaching? No. Why? Again, it has been taken too far. Plus, we predominately stuck with: women in the middle.
Anyhow, 'initiated' disciples - stop trying to pass off entertainment, fancy dance style, cool or exotic or gorgeous clothing... as Harinama. HariNama means it's all about Hari, and nama = name.
Dancing that is not the same as Lord Chaitanya's, or in accordance with Prabhupada's directions - are out of synch with the way His Divine Grace had us dance to glorify God. No getting showy. Heck, he even stopped kirtana's when the men danced wrongly, and spoke against mrdanga players who got showy.
"Krishna
kirtana is not meant for entertaining the public for demonstration of
arts. It is dynamic service to the Lord. We do not therefore mind so
much about the artistic presentation of Krishna kirtana but we want to
see how much a devotee is satisfying the Supreme Will." (Srila
Prabhupada Letter to Jadurani 67-12-12)
I've given credit to these ladies dancing to be recognized as spiritual in the past. Not saying it isn't spiritual. It is. However, there are specific instructions for initiated disciples, and seeing a post by one of these ladies saying: "If we don't get their party, then we don't get what Prabhupada is trying to do," that was too much. Show us a quote.
It felt like Impersonalism. Harinama is not about mere energy, it's about the SOURCE of energy - God / Krishna. Their comment kind of made me stop sticking up for them. Oh I still will if someone calls them prostitute. Other than that, they first need to understand 'what' they are truthfully meant to be doing, [spreading Krishna's Name], and not about "getting off" on energy.
And sure, nothing is wrong with partying, but only after they have the philosophy right - and do not rebel when given good instruction. [Many are telling them to stop. Years ago I googled, and was startled how many. But their authority seems to be behind what they are doing. sigh.]
More important, their prerequisite defense suggests they've not paused even one moment to think another way - need no correction - apparently we are the ones with the problem.
They stated we are lacking humility, yet they maintain an attitude & do not appear to take the Prabhupada quotes we show, very seriously.
If I find a Prabhupada quote that proves me wrong, I will surrender to it. :-) .....So far, no such quote. Quite the opposite quotes, really.
Now, I was kind of ready to let all this slide, until one day someone posted a video of such dancing women, captioned: "Krishna Consciousness is spreading everywhere." To me that sound more like: "Making changes to perfect transcendental instruction is what's spreading Krishna Consciousness everywhere." So I had to touch on the subject matter.
The short answer IMHO is, if we take anything of Prabhupada's and use it, some degree of Krishna Consciousness will come thru. Of course it will benefit others. I am not saying there is no Krishna Consciousness in these dancing's. No. I have often said they are doing it from their heart and in accordance to what they were instructed. But what did Prabhupada instruct?
Simply, I believe we should not change the dance Prabhupada gave us (a simple one anyone can jump in and and do with us) - to something entertaining but the average person can not do.
False ego makes it hard for any of us to admit when wrong, myself included. [I'm working on it.] But there's a point where transcendental instructions should feel more pressing.
The purpose of Harinama is preaching. Not showing how clever we can dance. It's also to inspire others to want to dance and chant "with" us. I've seen that countless times 'when' the dance was kept simple.
Additionally, to an onlooker the current Harinama dance would not appear like a cross-section of womanhood since every lady seems to be young and beautiful, very colorfully dressed (which is nice, but....), older women can not join in easily - if at all, what to speak of how some who are less lovely in bodily appearance may not want to stand next to such lovely ladies! How can that be Harinama than? We do not need bells and whistles, just the holy names.
Therefore, at this point, I can't keep supporting their dance style, as it turned into being more about them and the fun they're having - less about admitting they need to make a change. Which by the way, there is no loss by making such a change, but an increase in fun.
UPDATE: More recently I have seen some women doing better at dancing. Not all, but some. Yet they still insist on putting arms/hands out to the side, along with something called "line dancing." Also, I saw a video of a lady teaching their dance to a nondevotee, which was sweet and kind of cute. But it is not our method of "Harinama."
Prabhupada never taught this; I myself have yet to see any pic of him dancing in these way, or having us dance in these way.
Please ladies, stop doing this. You're on your way back to what it was and should be, but sideways hand gestures, or opening palms forward at the same moment of stepping forward [choreography] - needs to go, as does "line dancing."
We are not to try to incorporate other cultures, or mix our past attachments, or our own desires. We are trying to follow Prabhupada's culture, or really, transcendental instructions.
Don't get me wrong - I'm actually very relaxed about what happens on Harinam. Simply, they've crossed a line. Nothing needs to be added to Harinama.
To clarify or reiterate, it's not that I disagree with what they are doing, I disagree with what they are calling it. If they merely change the name to something like "Parade" as we do for Ratha Yatra 'parades,' or to "Street Theater" which I remember LoiTaksha and his wife preforming when Srila Prabhupada was on the planet - clearly spiritual entertainment, that's fine.
Even, I saw them do a play on a stage for him that included ballet. [I sat a few rows behind Prabhupada and could see the back of his head - yipee!]. He made a positive comment about the play. All this is perfectly fine - as spiritual entertainment. Prabhupada actually wanted a lot of theater!
But keep the name of Harinama what it is intended for.
Srila Prabhupada:..."I never thought about the audience. I was prepared to chant even if there were no men present to hear me. The principle of chanting is to glorify the Lord and not to attract a crowd. If Krishna hears nicely then He will ask some sincere devotee to gather in such place. Therefore be advised that thousands of centers may be started if we find out a sincere soul for each & every center." (Srila Prabhupada Letter 67-11-12)
"I am so much pleased that you are carrying on the Street Sankirtana Party even though you have sometimes only one companion. This spirit is most satisfactory so please go on and you may rest assured that Krsna will always help you in any difficulty." SPL, October 23, 1970
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* Do not let any of this scare you away - quite the opposite! :) It's not hard to do Harinama - it's simple! No dance lessons required. lol Grab a friend and go out. One sings lead, the other follows / chorus. This may be less obvious if there's only 2 of you ha, but so what. It's divine! You will have a blast!
* If you're a new devotee in a female body reading this but do not yet feel comfortable wearing a saree - that's ok - just wear a long skirt or anything chaste. If you're a new devotee male bodied reading this but not comfortable wearing a dhoti - that's also ok - just wear a clean pair of pants, nice shirt. And matching socks of course. lol j/k
* What about instruments? If concerned you don't own or know how to play a mrdanga / drum, or etc - not to worry. No instrument nor particular musical skill is required. Have two hands? Clap them. There ya go. :) ..... OR maybe the reader does own an instrument and knows how to play but wonders if it's acceptable out on Harinama? Yes, if used for that purpose. Prabhupada said any instrument can be used as long as the focus is on the holy names. [Google if you want the quote.] The harmonium is not a Vedic instrument, it's French! :) Yet Prabhupada was expert at it - to chant about Krishna.
Harinama's easy, give it a try. Consider going out into your local town - or not-so-local may be preferred, or college campus, a park, anywhere it's allowed. Experience the bliss for yourself!
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